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November 08, 2006

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Mike

Masood you really have to watch out for those "rogue" nuns they have been know to hunt down Muslim internet abusers...especially the ones with the white hats...in some circles it is known as a "stealth hat" ... they had a tv series on about it...called it the "Flying Nun". But, I am sure you saw the reruns on Al-Jezerra.

Bev

Masood --
Mike appears to have no respect for human life that doesn't fit into his version of who is worthy to be a human being. Coming back with sarcasm after reading what you took the time to post makes my stomach turn, just for the cosmic record.
also, answering fcc? you nailed it best when you said he thinks way too much of his hate-filled opinions.

Masood

Bev,

"Mike appears to have no respect for human life that doesn't fit into his version of who is worthy "

Yes. There will always be people who are hypocrites and bigots. And they will belong to all races and all cultures. When people stereotype muslims as extremists, they are going against historical evidence. And in the present environment, we need to be wary about people who stereotype muslims since such people usually have an agenda.

-Masood

Masood

"Jihadists (faith without reason)
bent on destroying anything that does not fit their narrow view of the world. (look at the many thousands who have died and are today dying around the world only because they think/beleive different, look at the effects that a small but dedicated band have produced)"

[start quote]"Israelis call Gaza massacre 'price tag' for launching attacks

Hardly surprising coming from the same group who used white phosphorous against fleeing civilians, and dropped millions of clusterbombs on Lebanon hours before the truce.

Sure there are isolated pockets of regret and remorse, but the opinions of those who command and control the gunships and tanks are remarkably cold and remorseless.

Israeli newspapers were filled with a mixture of remorse and recrimination on Thursday, a day after the army shelled a town in the Gaza Strip, killing 18 civilians, [mostly] women and children.

While some commentators said the attack, which Palestinians have termed a massacre, called for national soul-searching, others said it was just the "price tag" Palestinians should pay for having launched attacks on Israel. "[end quote]

fcc

"we need to be wary about people who stereotype muslims since such people usually have an agenda."

Sort of like you do Masood? All this terrorist stuff being made up by GWB and the innocent Muslims taking the blame? Actually Masood, I live with a number of Muslims. I know many who recognize what is happening and are ashamed of those in their faith who perform such deeds. I would guess that is the majority. Then there are those like you-- BTW, way to dig up one catholic nun with Yahoo news no less, the same media you will not trust with news on the Muslim killers. Very nice OBJECTIVE use of the the news Masood. LOL. Ironically, she has been put in jail and not told well done faithful servat of Allah.......and therin lies the difference.

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"answering fcc? you nailed it best when you said he thinks way too much of his hate-filled opinions."

Hate filled? Really? I haven't even called anyone a hypocrite, an idiot OR a asshole. Not everyone likes the truth. As P Floyd would say "Run, Run, Run, Run"

Mike

Masood and Bev...you two are a lovely couple... the "Flying Nun" will be visiting and teach you a lesson or two...they are a tough Order. They have a squadron in NH and at Masood's jihadist Mosque in Damascas.

csm

Ah, El Brazo, your statement is rife with wrongness. How so? Well...

Here is the definition of faith: belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

In other words, the very definition of faith is that it lacks reason.

El Brazo

csm,

I disagree with your definition of faith. In my experience faith is both logical and provides material evidence.

But putting this aside, it is not my contention that faith and reason are the same, but that they are not opposed to each other. Rather I see them as complementry, each building upon the other to form a whole that otherwise would could not be attained.

Masood

"way to dig up one catholic nun with Yahoo news no less,"

There was no need to dig up anything. This news was pretty prominent.

Moreover you completely miss my point.

-Masood

Masood

"Ironically, she has been put in jail and not told well done faithful servat of Allah."

Do you ever stop and try to understand what you write let alone understand what others write? Do you seriously think her being punished lessens her crime at all? Don't you think the attackers who were able to kill those people, praised her? How is this situtation any different?

Pathetic.

-Masood

Masood

Can you recognize propaganda when you see it?

"4 U.S. troops die in Iraq; 'al-Qaida in Iraq' claims it's winning war
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=b1f16058-943f-4b7b-9396-bed3b4cfad8f&k=97431
BAGHDAD (AP) - The group "Al-Qaida in Iraq" claimed in a new audiotape Friday to be winning the war faster than expected in Iraq and said it had mobilized 12,000 fighters who had "vowed to die for God's sake."

John

"Let me help you out here, the Crusades were a 1000 years ago, therefore we can't SEE them. Second, Protestants do not follow the Pope, therfore they were not part of them. Try linking to a Martin Luther site for more information. As an atheist, are you familar with Pol Pot? Atheist just kill for fun it seems. We can list athesist and muslims who kill millions all over the map in the last 100 years. VJ, ever heard of "scoreboard"?""

What?!? Yeah, Atheists may kill people, but they don't kill in the name of Atheism. They kill in the name of communism, socialism, or other '-isms.' Why would you kill for something that purports to say nothing controls the universe?

Mike

"Summa Mathmatica" was a work of faith! The St. Thomas Aquinas (Catholic) wrote it and it was adopted as a major work of faith. Catholicism (Jesuit Order in specific) see logic as the focal point of faith. On the other had the Orthodox Churches accept "mystery" as an integral part of their faith...

El Brazo is correct if he is looking at the from a Catholic tradition.

fcc

"They kill in the name of communism, socialism, or other '-isms.' Why would you kill for something that purports to say nothing controls the universe?"

Thanks John, I stand corrected. As long as they are killing for a GOOD reason. Yes, I see now Communism is a better reason that Catholicism. Bravo!


Masood,

"How is this situtation any different?"

Um, Catholics are not blaming it on Bush Masood? Thats the first thing that comes to mind. They actrually admit she was a bad Nun and that she should be in jail. WE ALL BELIEVE THIS. Put down the bomb, come out of the mosque and look at truth. One catholic nun as opposed to, what 100,000 militant Muslims? Oh, yeah, that is apples to apples, right? I think Jeffrey Dahmer was a Freemason. Will you be comparing Dahmer to the militant Muslims next?

Masood, why do you now use American news sources when it fits your need? They report on Catholics correctly but not Muslims? Pathetic is right. You, as expected, failed to answer that question.

Masood

You say: "Catholics are not blaming it on Bush Masood?"

And earlier said: "I live with a number of Muslims. I know many who recognize what is happening and are ashamed of those in their faith who perform such deeds. I would guess that is the majority."

So my question again: "How is this situation any different?".

Your main agenda is to demonize muslims and you will keep shifting your statements to fit your narrow viewpoint.

"One catholic nun as opposed to, what 100,000 militant Muslims?"

1 --> News. 100,000 --> Imaginary news?

-Masood

fcc

Masood,

Not only do you selectively pick your news to fit your agenda, you seem to have problems reading a post and answering a question. I don't ecpect your to answer, it does point out your narrow point of view and biases. I don't demonize Muslims, I make observations Masood, from the same news source you use.....isn't that ironic? Denial doesn't heal cancer nor will it heal your religion from the cancer eating at the core.

csm

"I disagree with your definition of faith. In my experience faith is both logical and provides material evidence."

I'd be interested in hearing how faith provides material evidence... examples please?

Mike

Interesting. The President of Iran said he had 50,000 myrtars ready to die and fight America... could the be Catholic? or Muslims Massood? How about the 12,000 Al Queda in Bagdad? Muslims or Jews? Or the Taliban...all Protestants? I don't think so...do you? What is pathetic is you Masood...totally without excuse. Your insolence, and abuse in the name of Islam are unconsolable. You are a poor excuse for a person of reputation, dignity or honesty.

Gene

"Your main agenda is to demonize muslims and you will keep shifting your statements to fit your narrow viewpoint."

Your hole is deepening Masood.

Cowcharge

"This supposed "Christian" nation treats pets at the end of their lives better than human relatives;"

That's because most pets deserve better treatment than most people.

""They kill in the name of communism, socialism, or other '-isms.' Why would you kill for something that purports to say nothing controls the universe?"

Thanks John, I stand corrected. As long as they are killing for a GOOD reason. Yes, I see now Communism is a better reason that Catholicism. Bravo!"

If I may, John... The difference is that atheists do not kill because of their opinion that there is no God. In other words, the fact that they are atheists is irrelevant to why they kill. In contrast, the jihadists kill solely because of their opinion that there is a god, and their opinion of what that god wants.

Masood

"The President of Iran said he had 50,000 myrtars ready to die and fight America... could the be Catholic? or Muslims Massood? How about the 12,000 Al Queda in Bagdad? Muslims or Jews? Or the Taliban...all Protestants?"

1 killer in jail is better than 50,000 would be killers in Iran. :)

Moreover, if any country is illegally occupied, there are bound to repercussions. An invading army with 150000 soldiers is not any different than the hypothetical army that Iran's President refers to.

-Masood

Masood

More propaganda.

"Threat to blow up White House

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP): A new recording Friday attributed to the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq mocked U.S. President George W. Bush as a coward whose conduct of the war had been rejected by U.S. voters, challenging him to keep American troops in the country to face more bloodshed.

[...]

The Egyptian said his fighters would not rest until they blew up the White House and occupied Jerusalem."

I find it incredibly interesting that such claims are:

A) given such prominence in the media.
B) taken seriously at all
C) made at such interesting times, just when the people reject this whole nonsense going on in Iraq.

There have been NO "terrorist cells" found in US. All people who have been charged so far in any terrorism related case have had all their charges dropped or changed to immigration related charges. There is no evidence yet that can be used in any serious court of law to convict even the claimed 19 hijackers of 9/11. And yet we have these news items flashing before our eyes.

-Masood

Mike

Seems the Hutu tribe is Christian... the nun is a tribal member ...she did not pull the trigger...her role was not defined.

Eight Iraqi's died from a bomb blast in Bagdad...Muslim killling Muslim. IED's claim more lives in Iraq on a daily basis, mostly innocent civilians. The bombs are planted by Muslims to kill Muslims. Al Sadir and his militia have been killing Sunni's out of hand. Pulling over buses sorting out the Islamic denomination and the executing them.

These folks are pulling the trigger, aggressively hunting down innocent civilians and killing them just to terrorize the civilian population and create turmoil in Iraq.

Masood

More findings about the fabricate pre-war intelligence.

"The government (UK) is withholding a secret draft of the Iraq WMD dossier that was never disclosed to the Hutton inquiry, the New Statesman can reveal. In a development that will stoke demands for a full parliamentary inquiry into the events that led up to the war, we can confirm that the draft was written not by the intelligence services, which had responsibility for the accuracy of the information contained in the dossier, but by a senior Foreign and Commonwealth Office press officer, whose name has previously featured only on the fringes of the controversy over Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. It raises the possibility that the dossier originated with the government's spin machine rather than the intelligence services. This secret draft may even turn out to be the foundation of the government's ill-fated presentation of the threat from Saddam's WMD, which Tony Blair used to persuade parliament of the case for war.

The existence of the secret draft has been confirmed by the Foreign Office, but it has refused to release it despite repeated freedom of information requests.

The draft was written on 9 September 2002 by John Williams, director of news at the Foreign Office. Williams is a former Daily Mirror political journalist, who was cleared to work closely with the intelligence services along with a number of other Whitehall civil servants during the run-up to war."

Mike

Gene your Nov.9th comment is to the point... it is "not" religion...it is power and control in the name of religion. Historically, religion is just a emotional rallying cry to drive the hordes forward and kill and mame in the name of "God" and be rightous about it... Bagdad, Sunni vs Shia is a good example of that tactic... "pounding your chest in prayer (Shia) is prayer"...for Sunni it is heritical and reason to mame and kill... Saddam killed 148 tribesman and was sentenced to death...over an assasination attempt that was religiously motivated.

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