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November 08, 2006

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Mike

Why me? But, I am here first...remember the term "bullets" and magazine...religion will be the trigger finger of future confrontations. Your nightmares are just beginning not ending. The jihadists are fomenting future confrontations hoping to turn the west into attempting to co-habitate and then attack their comfortable existance with whatever terrorist act works for themn for the purposes of control. The end goal is Islamic domination and world-wide califite government. This is their ultimate goal.... the empire is not lost but to be won.

BAWDYSCOT

Someone has been playing too many video games. I would agree the Islamic extremists have designs on much of the Middle East, North Africa and maybe Eastern Europe, but world domination, I don't think so. I would also agree religion has a detrimental effect to humankind in some situations, but not all.

Mike

They think big bawdy... see...www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm20XQhduI&evrl the title is Freedom...

I don't play video games by the way... just look at the platforms of logic and lack of responsiveness from organized radical Islam and you should follow the linear logic of their approach to its logical outcome..."world Islam"!

Gene

Republicans are beginning to realize the reason they lost was because they left their conservative base. The conservative base is what put them in power and the conservative base is what they will need to give them the edge in 08. Even Bill & Hillary have realized the importance of apperaing to have a religous side to their political profile. Republicans will use this kick in the teeth to do some house cleaning and to go back to those who put them in power.

Religion is not the problem, power and greed are the problems in government, religion, military, leadership, business or etc. Our young curmudgeon just can see pass his own biases to see the underlying truth.

VJ

As long as the U.S. and other large coutries view Islamic extremists as a threat (much like communism), they will never have the type of power they seek. They can control 3rd world, underdeveloped nations, but that's just a pebble rolling down a hill in our eyes. The extremists would have to find a way to kill or completely disable entire continents and let's face it, there just aren't enough of them out there. They insist on blowing themselves up and that isn't helping either...

El Brazo

Faith and Reason, the two are NOT opposed to each other! They each need to be integrated into our being in order to be fully human. Balance my friend, balance.

Faith without reason leads to superstition and supremacy. This can grow into suppresion and murder for illogical reasons. This leads to the destruction of human existence and human society.

Reason without faith leads to the denial of human dignity. Often a person becomes nothing more than a means to an end. This also grows toward the destruction of human existence and human society.

proofs (?) (certainly not all inclusive, but merely illustrative):
Jihadists (faith without reason)
bent on destroying anything that does not fit their narrow view of the world. (look at the many thousands who have died and are today dying around the world only because they think/beleive different, look at the effects that a small but dedicated band have produced)

Communism/Socialism (reason without faith)
bent on destorying anything that does not fit its narrow view of the world. (look at the many millions who have died around the world because they did not fit the mold of a brave new world, look how free thought is suppressed by those who would have you bend your will to theirs)

BAWDYSCOT

Gene,

Religion is not the total problem, but because the fact Christians and Muslims and Jews have problems living next to and with each other the one consistant thread is religion. It isn''t economics, it isn't geography, it isn't human nature, it is religion and the history of religion.

El Brazo,

Not all people without faith and base their lives on reason are communists or socialists and they also can have respect for human dignity. This supposed "Christian" nation treats pets at the end of their lives better than human relatives; I see it every day in my business. Making humans live longer than need be is strictly a selfish response by those left behind.

Gene

Bawdy,

As a Christian, I have no problem living next to a Jew or a Muslim and I live near both. I don't know any that do and if you would like to provide an example I'll listen. I just don't see Chritians anywhere attemting to vanquish any group of people like the Muslim extemist and many of the dictators. It isn't so much religion as it is related to geography (Palestine & Israel) and it is the human nature of power and greed. It crosses religion as evidenced but some of history's greatest dictators who pledged no religion. WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam had nothing to do with religion not to mention our Revolution or Civil War.

Many fear the Christain because they involve themselves in the political process just like any group of people. Frankly, if all people got involved with our nation like the so called "Right Wing" maybe we would have voter turn out on the level of Iraq rather than this pitiful 40%.

John

"Many fear the Christain because they involve themselves in the political process just like any group of people. Frankly, if all people got involved with our nation like the so called "Right Wing" maybe we would have voter turn out on the level of Iraq rather than this pitiful 40%."

No, we fear the "Right Wing" because they want to control every little thing about what I do, (ie, what I eat, what I wear, etc.)

BAWDYSCOT

Gene,

You and your neighbors have no fear of each other because you live in America where you have no choice but to be tolerant and we have a history of tolerance. Just go take your theory and place it in Bosnia and Serbia, doesn't work so well there now does it.

John,

I agree with what you are saying but I would have to go even farther. Religion is not the only reason we have a "nanny" state, there are many liberals who want to tell people what to eat, to make them stop smoking, to make restaurants provide calorie labeling on all their meals, etc, etc. I am paraphrasing H.L. Mencken but it goes something like, " Those who want to save mankind have a false face to hide the fact they want to rule it."

El Brazo

BAWDYSCOT,

"Not all people without faith and base their lives on reason are communists or socialists..."
I agree! As stated in my post: illustrative, NOT all inclusive.

The U.S.A. is NOT a Christian nation! As a nation we may hold on to many "Chistian" ideals. But as a nation we hold them as tradition, without accepting or exercising the underlying reason and meaning. We have divorced faith and reason as a nation, therefore we are not much different than those "faithless" totalitarian regimes of the past (and present and future). [and before someone screems about "faithless", well there are plenty "faithful" totalitarian regimes too, balance]

Compassion - from its root: to suffer with.
If I read your comment correctly, you are speaking of euthanasia as preserving human diginity. Well, I disagree. I could easily say that those who kill their dying relatives/friends are the ones acting in a selfish manner, because they wish to end their own suffering by the untimely death of said relative/friend. I say the greater good is served not by hastening death, but by living through it and comforting those who are dying. My reasons, it shows our compassion and solidarity with the dying by simply being present at the hour of death; it helps us come to terms with our own mortality; it is a witness to the world that every person has an intrinsic worth, even at the hour of death.

VJ

Quote: I just don't see Christians anywhere attempting to vanquish any group of people like the Muslim extremist and many of the dictators.

Gene,

You've never heard of the Crusades?

BAWDYSCOT

El Brazo,

Then I guess we just aren't that compassionate with our pets. I work in a environment which just so happens to include a skilled nursing facility, a nursing home in other words. I find the families selfish in keepings these shells of selves alive just to say they are alive. We end up going to heroic lenghts just to postpone the inevitable a few days or weeks. The money spent on these heroic efforts could just as easily be spent on someone whose prognisis is much better. I guess I just disagree with your assessment.

VJ,

Not the Crusades again!

Knight Templar

VJ,

Some thoughts on the Crusades:

The Crusades, to what is today called the middle-east, BEGAN IN RESPONSE to the plea of the Byzantine emperor (Alexius I) FOR HELP in repelling the Muslim invasion into his kingdom and in response for the destruction and sacking of Christain sites throughout the middle-east by these advancing Muslim armies. The Crusades were NOT about the total eradication of the Muslim world.

True, great injustices were carried out by those answering the call to the crusade, but these injustices were not asked or called for.

for some lite reading on the subject, check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

el Brazo

BAWDYSCOT,

We can agree to disagree. :)

I am not advocating or supporting extraordinary means to keep anyone alive for the purpose of just keeping them alive. This is as unjust (and selfish) as euthanasia.

Bev

gene, what do you mean by this: "Even Bill & Hillary have realized the importance of apperaing to have a religous side to their political profile."

"Appearing" to have a religious profile?
You are not standing in judgement of their faith, are you?
They were both brought up in very religious homes and they have both proclaimed to be Christians their entire lives.
So, what do you mean by that comment?

VJ

Quote: Not the Crusades again!

Sorry, I wasn't here for that discussion. Let me rephrase, then...

Gene,

You've never heard of The Witches Hammer?

BAWDYSCOT

I've heard of a witch's tit.

Bev

LOL!

fcc

"I just don't see Christians anywhere attempting to vanquish any group of people like the Muslim extremist and many of the dictators."

VJ,

Let me help you out here, the Crusades were a 1000 years ago, therefore we can't SEE them. Second, Protestants do not follow the Pope, therfore they were not part of them. Try linking to a Martin Luther site for more information. As an atheist, are you familar with Pol Pot? Atheist just kill for fun it seems. We can list athesist and muslims who kill millions all over the map in the last 100 years. VJ, ever heard of "scoreboard"?

Mike

I hope I keep feeding you guys information...eseentailly it is important to the development of the issues.... however, the Crusades is a Muslim trap that they lay on their own people much like GWB does with the terrorists. It is the fear factor. Why mix apples and oranges. When someone walks accross the line and starts inciting emotion... stop it.. by quoting what fcc has stated in this case the facts. You berrate him no end because you do not agree with him but here the facts are iron cald.

WE need to give credit where credit is due. No one is right all the time...not even Bev or Bawdy ... God bless their wonderful souls... if there is a God ...they would be blessed.... and so would fcc.

Bob

Thanks, Mike. Nice to have some calmness here.

BAWDYSCOT

Holy Shit! I am not right all the time?!

VJ

Sorry if my silly statement is making emotions run high. I was merely trying to point out that holy wars have been going on for a long, long time. I wasn't really trying to be serious...

Masood

"I just don't see Chritians anywhere attemting to vanquish any group of people like the Muslim extemist "

"Catholic nun gets 30 years for Rwanda ro
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_af/rwanda_genocide
By ANTHONY MITCHELL, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes ago

NAIROBI, Kenya - A Catholic nun has been sentenced to 30 years in jail for helping militias kill hundreds of people hiding in a hospital during Rwanda's 1994 genocide, an official said Friday. "

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