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October 09, 2006

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Bev

fcc: King of the Assholes and Bigots?
Yeah, I can buy into that.

fcc

Yes, yes wonderful! You live your life, you wonder if the path you pursue is one of truth, goodness and real fulfillment and then confirmation comes. Labeled an A-hole by the sorts of Bev and CSM brings home the reality of that pursuit. It is a precious confirmation on which I find satisfying as well as enlightening. Yes, the reality of my bigotry has come full circle and I have reached the point where I find myself complete and disposed to confess those animosities.

I am a bigot towards those who are not Christian but desire to tell Christians how they shall live and proceed to call ALL of them hypocrites and liars because they will not live to their narrow profile.

I am a bigot towards those who belittle people of religion referring to them as idiots and fools who talk to “imaginary friends” and as well arrogantly proclaim they have all knowledge that a God does not exist.

I am a bigot towards those who would tell us that the world problems are due to President Bush and Republicans and that the answer lies with the Democratic Party while all along not holding their own party to the same standards they hold Republicans. (BTW, they both reek.)

I am a bigot towards those who would claim Bush orchestrated 9/11, blew up levies, Al Qaeda does not exist, Bush it the Nazi/terrorist and he is the enemy we are to fear.

Lastly, I am a bigot toward those who become offended at being “pigeon-holed” even lashing out at the assertions in anger but have no problem assigning a pigeon-hole to others.

There, I guess that will do it, my bigotries exposed and my burdened has been lightened.

derF,

"Sorry, but he is nothing like a parrot. I wonder why his comments upset you so."

:)

-Masood

Mike

Bev...you are so caught up in pc you can't see beyond your nose....

Mike

POV is great... notice he doesn't stray from his text? He doesn't answer questions... any one who has gone through a propoganda class or interrogation class can tell that is "propoganda"... if you repeat the same thing over and over...after awhile people start to believe it.. Geobbles the Nazi propoganda chief made the technique infamous... it is a standard MO.

Bev

well, well, well... i guess i don't get into the tiny heaven of christian bigots.

Gene

fcc,

Thanks for coming out of the closet!

Mike,

I like your keen sense of the obvious. Its not PC to question those of the Islamic faith regarding their beliefs and the obvious jihadist action associated with those beliefs. Many would rather point out the inability to others to follow the 10 commadments and tip-toe around Islam as they declare jihad on the world. I can only imagine they have been successfully been indoctrinated by the propaganda.

Of course it could be as simple as the propagation of their own propaganda. Those who buy into the propaganda (Bush is bad, lied, etc) are accepted as comrades; consequently other irrelevant beliefs are very much secondary and may even include those who may support jihad against the United States. Within the comrades we see Muslims, Atheist and Red Words. If Masood fell the other direction, say Pro-War on Terror, I doubt his acceptance would be as realized.

Bev

gene, what are you saying about the Red Words?
("Within the comrades we see Muslims, Atheist and Red Words. If Masood fell the other direction, say Pro-War on Terror, I doubt his acceptance would be as realized.")
gene, are you advocating that Jesus's Red Words teach you to be PRO-War?

Or are you teaching us to hate our enemies and to do bad right back to those who hurt us?

gene, sad that you can't REMEMBER the commands. So be it.

Speaking of those who support jihad against the United States, I wonder where Osama Bin Laden is? Wasn't he wanted, dead or alive, by Bush some years ago?
Yet another failure on Bush's watch?

Are any Bush apologists going to a memorial service today?

csm

Does anyone know who fcc is talking about when he says "as well arrogantly proclaim they have all knowledge that a God does not exist"? I don't know of anyone on this blog with that position.

Bev

Answer, from one of my favorite atheists:

"In the country of the verbal diarrhea the man with an ass for a mouth is king."

BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

I lash out in anger at being "pigeon-holed" because the pigeon-holer is mistaken about the box he puts me into and the fact he seems to do this only to invoke anger. A button pusher, in other words. Oops, I just pigeon-holed.

If I pigeon hole Gene as a devout Christian would he be upset? I don't think so. If I pigeon hole Bev as a soul who is on a search for enlightenment would she be upset? Maybe, but I don't think so. If I pigeon hole csm as an atheist with an acerbic wit would he be upset? I don't think so and I wouldn't mind that mantle myself. You see what I am getting at? I am not a Democrat or a Democratic apologist. I do not like Bush and his administration because of his unConstitutional power grab, his misdirected war in Iraq and the fact he has put this world into turmoil. I hold both parties to the same standard and they both do not meet them. I am not a lover of the true terrorists but I do not consider them the threat Russia was during the Cold War because they do not have the destructive capability that Russia did. This "War on Terror" will never end, ever. For some reason this is the way Bush has set this up. And we will fight for ever. He has almost put this up to Biblical proportions(A War for Civilisation) and that scares me. That scares me more than a ragtag group of terrorists we are fighting. That scares me because our comatose public eats it up. Now if you want to pigeon hole me as a concerned citizen, I would not have a problem with that, for it is the truth.

Gene

"If I pigeon hole Gene as a devout Christian would he be upset?"

Bawdy true that would not upset me. If you called my kids Christian "whiny brats", that would upset me. We have "whiny brats" who are atheist, Christian, democrats, republican, etc and rarely has anything to do with their faith. Has more to do with sorry parenting. So way the Christian label?

Mike

Somehow you guys are "slipslidingaway"... lost in the tomes so to speak... Gene...I have met a number of Muslims who are quite concrete about their religion and what they feel is going on... even to the point of confronting each other who has the better view of Islam from their sects perspective and the prejudices of the other's sect. So, I am not sure where you are on your definition of PC?

Osama may be sitting in Saudi Arabia with his Mother in the kitchen having coffee and talking about GWB's incompetence. No doubt they are eating blintzes...for breakfast.

BAWDYSCOT

Gene,

I would never call your kids whiny brats because I do not know them and I am pretty sure you are a fine parent and wouldn't produce whiny brats. I would also agree whiny brats come in all flavors. I think what you are refering to was on another thread of which the subject had turned at some point to Slayer album covers and the First Amendment. But I do not believe I refered to all Christian children as whiny brats, I was more specific than that.

BAWDYSCOT

Mike,

I agree this is a very fluid forum with many unexpected turns. Kinda like it that way though.

Bev

Shit, I wanna be pigeon-holed as an atheist with an acerbic wit!!!

As far as "party affliation" I'm a registered Independent and I've voted Independent at least as often as for either major party. And I've voted Republican far more times than Democrat.
So, what pigeon-hole does THAT put me in?

I honestly cannot think of one decision George W. Bush has made that has turned out to be a good one, imo.

So, I agree 100% with this: "I do not like Bush and his administration because of his unConstitutional power grab, his misdirected war in Iraq and the fact he has put this world into turmoil."

I also agree with this -- "I hold both parties to the same standard and they both do not meet them" -- but since the D's have not been in power for the last six years, I hold the R's responsible for our current gov't decisions.

For the D's, I have to go by the standard that was set when Clinton was President. And, personally, I liked peace and prosperity much better than the major clustermuck that Bush has created.

Oh, and poll-wise, Independents are absolutely anti-Bush. So those who still defend all of Bush's decisions are what...?

And, bawdy, I'll go along with this for myself as well:
"Now if you want to pigeon hole me as a concerned citizen, I would not have a problem with that, for it is the truth."

(p.s. Also, I would NOT be upset and, in fact, thanks for noticing -- "If I pigeon hole Bev as a soul who is on a search for enlightenment would she be upset?")

Gene

"I am not sure where you are on your definition of PC?"

The statement has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims Mike, it has to do with those in our society who are petrified of offending a group of people simply by asking the tough questions. Those who ask the tough questions are pigeon-holded as bigots, *-phobes or anti-*. We have those who can hide behind labels(ex. War Hero) and we dare not contest their viewpoint. The questions you have posed to Masood and the ensuing backlash, have proven this point to be reasonable. Such attitudes are not conducive to relevant discussion.

Mike

Gene I agree... Our society has dropped off into limbo of fear to offend...primarily because our society today does not want to hear what is wrong...or what is right... they want to hear whatever it is that makes them "feel good". Or what might renforce what is "happening" on the job, in the commmunity, etc. People are penalized for questioning, professionally... as a result no one wants to take a position on anything. It is conditioned out of us...socializing... what happened to the "rugged individualists"?

John MCCain is a War Hero, Kerry is a War Hero... they're viewpoints are constantly attacked... In fact my belief is that veterans are held in esteem superficially... when it comes down to actually helping veterans by making a commitment to them our society says "no"... Many veterans programs are on the books but are not supported with the funds necessary to carry them out. Jobs-for-Veterans is a good example... people avoid hiring veterans for a variety of reasons. Health care... much of the money in veterans health care goes to university related research (done on vets)at VA hospitals that are University affiliated. These hospitals are in almost every state in the union.

How did I slipslide into that? Anyway you get my drift.

csm

And one of the things John McCain and John Kerry have in common is that these war heroes were both slimed by the chicken hawk GWB.

Bev

Al Gore went to Viet Nam as a combat camera (while Dick Cheney "had better things to do") and was slimed as well.
These people really have no problem whatsoever sliming veterans.

BAWDYSCOT

Excellent point, Mike. This supposed pro-military Republican Congress and administration has done very little for veterans with the ironic twist that they have no problem putting these brave souls into untenable situations.

fcc

"Those who ask the tough questions are pigeon-holded as bigots, *-phobes or anti-*."

True, at one time I thought such attacks on discourse was from a lack of understanding. Its has become much more clear that such attacks are based on an unability to defend ones POV and an unwillingness to admit such. Passion without knowledge equals blindness.

Bev

Attacks on discourse? Did someone say "Attacks on discourse..."?

Does anyone know who fcc is talking about when he says "... arrogantly proclaim they have all knowledge that a God does not exist"?
Posted by: csm | October 12, 2006 at 09:33 AM

fcc

Bev,

You forgot AAWWWKKKKK!!!!

Bev

And, as usual, you conveniently "forgot" to answer a question.

fcc, you don't "AAWWWKKKKK!!!!" me.
You BORE me.

Do you have the intellectual capability of answering csm's question?
Or are you the idiot I keep claiming you are?

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