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October 05, 2006

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Bev

I just listened to this 10 minute speech and I highly recommend it to all Independents.

Because of the mathematics, all the legit polls you see these days -- on almost any topic actually -- reflect the opinion of Independents.
(Briefly, the D's and R's completely cancel each other out and the numbers that remain now are I's).

So, I can't figure out how attacking those who disagree with him (who are not just D's but I's by about 65% disagree-35% agree) makes Bush believe that he is convincing anyone but the kool-aid drinkers that he's a competent leader.
In fact, in terms of "anger" towards Bush, the I's are right up there, leading the nation.
Thanks for the link, John.
Keith Obermann is becoming the loudest defender of our Constitution of any commentator I've heard in this new 1984.

Thomas Williams

We are not in 1984. I will not vote for a Republican or a Democrat. I will vote though. I would like the program to go before a FISA judge before the taps are in place. I don't want "black bag" searches done without going before the FISA judge. I believe in the Constitution, which both parties abrogate at their will through the cherry picking of judges they place cases before. It is the name of the game now instead of the process of drafting legislation and having a real discussion of the issue. Or on some issues, the ammendment process should be used. Instead we try to circumvent this by going around the will of the people and having a friendly judge do it for us.


Tom

Bev

I would like to go on record saying that I don't believe any amendment to the US Constitution should limit freedom.

Masood

Interesting read....

"Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops

October 5, 2006

Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld.

The origin of the latest video, starring Mohammed Atta and flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, has been swept under the carpet by the mainstream media who bizarrely admit that the government has had the tape since late 2001 but still suggest it is a new release by Al Qaeda.

Interesting also is the fact that in an NBC article (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15082633/), they admit that before receiving the "exclusive US analysis" of the London Sunday Times' tape, they had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the same tape of Atta earlier this year:

"The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video "through a previously tested channel" but gave no further details. NBC News filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the videotapes early this year, but the Pentagon has not yet turned them over. "

This is an open admission that it is the Pentagon that has released this tape and not Al Qaeda. this dovetails with our previous analysis that revealed that the footage has been seen before in a docudrama, the "Road to Guantanamo", where it is shown to detainees at camp Delta as an intelligence surveillance tape."

Along with experts on Islamic terrorist groups who are baffled by the video and have declared that it has come from a security agency, the very journalist (Yousri Faouda) who received the tape also says the source was not Al Qaeda.

It is also interesting that this journalist, Yousri Fouda is not only a Sunday Times journalist but also the London Bureau Chief of Al Jazeera. He is the guy who normally breaks all the Al Qaeda tapes anyway, so really the London Times connection is just a smokescreen.

All evidence indicates that the tapes are provided to Fouda and Al Jazeera by As Sahab, the "production company" of Al Qaeda, via a group known as Intelcenter, who also SELL the videos online.

Intelcenter normally have the tapes available for sale as soon as they are released, indeed in the past they have even predicted when they are going to get a tape before it is released, as they did with the second London bomber tape on the anniversary of 7/7.

Intel center is run by Ben Venzke, who is an interesting character. A google search results in the revelation that he used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE, which is a verisign company. IDEFENSE (http://www.idefense.com/about/leadership.php) is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

It is also heavily populated with long serving ex military intelligence officials."

The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

So here we have a company that by it's own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts Rumsfeld 3 small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos.

The NBC "US analysis" should be the focus of the latest tape and not the Times articles. It is an astounding piece of psyop propaganda that attempts in a shoddy way to fill in the "gaps" in 9/11 intelligence. The analyst, Evan Coleman, after admitting that the Pentagon has been "sitting on it" goes on to say:

"It is important for people to watch and realize that this video is conclusive proof that 9/11 was orchestrated by Al Qaeda at the most senior levels."

"Again, read all of it. Very powerful stuff."

Yeah, sort of like Katrina. Keith reminds me of the Bev dems of the world. Doesn't address the issues, no solutions but just blows in like Katrina and leaves a mess. I love this line "in his bullying of the Senate last month". is that not classic? First he is an idiot, but yet he can fool congress with falsified intelligence now he can bullying them into getting his way. I am beginning to think I don't give this man enough credit. Thank you George for bullying congress into doing something besides bicker! Its about damn time!

Keith disappoints, he has become a typical far left liberal who blames republicans for all our problems while never hold a democrat to their responsibilies. If dems can't do their job NOW, how will they do it in January? Maybe thst is why nobody watches MSNBC. Of course, when you use an ESPN guy as your politcal mouthpiece, thats what one expects. Give me a big picture guy any day.


Is it 1984? What will the dems do about Stubbs the second time around?

Mike

Conspircy theorist unite! If you want to add to Masoods conjecture. Try Military.com... if you look around the site you will find "discussions". In discussion you will find 9/11 and there is testimony there by surviving first respondants that the buildings had a series of explosions that implode them after the planes crashed into the towers. The first respondants felt that the terrorists had returned to finish the job on the WTC they had tried to blowup in the past. Explosions were in the sub-basements according to the witnesses. Designed to use the weight of the building to bring in down on top of itself... just as one would implode a building so it would not fall on other buildings! Both towers came down the same way?

Add to this the "Merc" thread brought up about IDefender personnel and Al Jazeera and the possiblity of influence and you have a typical intel type operation. Question is "who" is feeding "who" the information? Which side has the actual inside and which side is acting the double agent? My opinion has been that Osama will never be found alive...primarily because it would be too imbarassing to the U.S.

Remember the old saying "consistency is the hobgobblin of small minds." : )

Taken all together we could say that the GWB, Inc is in cahoots with the Saudi's who have influence ($$$) with the jihaadists and we are off and running down the path of who is prodding who for what reason... a super power is at-bay over a few scruffy terrorists? I don't think so. Masood to play the devils advocate is to at times open eyes to the possible. The possible scenerio here is a typical intel operation where it is hard to tell one side from the other. Same thing happened during the Cold War...even in intel ops people have their "individual" ethical basis for living on planet earth... however there are more than a few socio-paths out there to keep it interesting. which means the intel ops outcomes are not as predictable and neat as conspiricy theorists would like them to be. Both sides can claim victories and both sides can point fingers at the other side as the cause of the problems.

fcc

"Try Military.com"

Come on, that just site set up by Bush to keep us off the real leads.

Thomas Williams

Popular Science, that "radical magazine", has published a book which examines all the conspiracy theories and finds them lacking.


Tom

Mike

fcc your absoulutely brilliant...

Masood

"..a super power is at-bay over a few scruffy terrorists? I don't think so.."

That is the starting point to begin to understand and sort out this mess...

-Masood

Meanwhile...

"Sailor 'shocked' by killing of Iraqi

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061007/ap_on_re_us/marines_iraq_shooting

By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent Sat Oct 7, 4:32 AM ET

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - Saying he was unable to stop the bloodshed, a Navy corpsman testified that Marines in his patrol seized an Iraqi civilian from his home, threw him into a hole and shot him at least 10 times after growing frustrated in their search for an insurgent.

Slight and soft-spoken, Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos said Friday he saw a Marine put fingerprints from the victim onto a rifle and a shovel to implicate him as an insurgent."

Mike

Masood...this is the finger pointing I mentioned... and yes... our guys do things on occasion that they shouldn't, that is war ... your guys do it with impunity and tape it?... so why make a point of it? Remeber, idle hands are the devil's workshop...

Mike

Masood...no disagreement on the "mess" part however...

fcc

Masood,

A serious question for you. If you truly care for the Iraqi people, why would you want them to live under the thumb of Sadaam? He killed a million himself. Unless, you believe all the the sadaam stories were made up by the Bush administration as well? You thoughts?

BTW, at this point, we are fighting Iran and Al Qaeda according the soldiers I have the opportunity to speak with. The Iraqis are no more than innocent casualities caused by terrorist infiltrating Iraq to keep the people down and out. Hard to belive Iran and Al Qaeda would be part of such a "mess", huh?

Mike

I can confirm your information fcc. Some of the fighting is across the border...

Masood

".. your guys do it with impunity and tape it?.."

My guys? Make sure you don't drive while still under the influence of whatever makes you write this.

-Masood


Masood

"The Iraqis are no more than innocent casualities caused by terrorist infiltrating Iraq to keep the people down and out."

More disinformation?

-Masood

"Iraqi police unit linked to militias

By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 29 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi authorities have taken a brigade of up to 700 policemen out of service and put members under investigation for "possible complicity" with death squads following a mass kidnapping earlier this week, the U.S. military said Wednesday.

Meanwhile, a series of bombs went off in rapid succession in a shopping district in a mainly Christian neighborhood of Baghdad, killing 12 people and wounding 50, police said. The dead were among 28 people killed in attacks across
Iraq."

Gene

"More disinformation?"

Masood,

Why is everyhting that does not fit your preconceptions disinformation? Sounds like you have head-over-heals for the terrorist progaganda....... Here is the big test Masood. We have "The Bomb", we are not using it even though we could..... because we tend to be humanatarians. Do you think the Islamic zealots would use the same restraint in the name of Allah? I hope the answer for you is as obvious as it is for me.


BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

There are also Sunni sects fighting the Iranians on Iranian soil. The Kurds have been getting into the action in Iran and Turkey too. Everybody has it out for everyone else and we started it. Happy?

fcc

"we started it"

Bawdy,

You cannot be serious! (to quote the great John McEnroe)

Where have you been the last 50 years? We just paid very little attention until now and it seems many do not want to face the truth of the Middle East especially Hussein's role.

http://www.carpenoctem.tv/military/hussein.html

Mike

BAwdy...Masood... we started nothing...Iraq invaded Kuawti territory, Kurdish territory, fought with Iran, invaded Saudi Arabia.. the Turks and Kurds are killing each other (old history there)... Turks oppose a Kurdish State like Isreal opposes a Palestinian state... Though I do not agree with GWB... he simply did not do it with the type of leadership needed... or know how. George should have starved the Iraqi's into submission with the goal of getting Saddam to resign...too late now. We are there. The Muslim insanity rages on...Kurds against Sunni, Sunni against Shea... maybe they should form a United Muslim Mosque... and keep the killing inside amongst themselves.

That is what I mean by "your guys" Masood...so put that in your hooka and smoke it...avoid driving in the U.S.

BAWDYSCOT

fcc and Mike,

You cannot be serious! This time around in Iraq(NOT AL QAEDA!)we started it. Mike, the Kurds in Iraq aren't fighting anybody, they have what the want, a place to call home. And Mike, maybe you are talking about something way back in history, but I do not remember Iraq invading Saudia Arabia, not saying they may not have been next, but I do not remember that they did.

fcc

"George should have starved the Iraqi's into submission with the goal of getting Saddam to resign"

Good idea but not possible. Too many nations will not stick to the sanctions. Remember in the 90s who went without the food and good medical care? It was not Saddam nor would he ever have resigned. He had the Iraqis believeing it was the US & Israel's fault. I agree as well, our strategy AFTER Saddams' removal could have used a lot of refinement. Still does and should.

Bawdy,

How many people would Saddam need to kill and nations invade, and ethnics groups gased before you actually believe HE did something to start it? George Sr. should the took the animal out when we were there the first time. We did do something, we removed an murdering animal which was well overdue.

Mike

Bawdy - The Kurds are setting off bombs in Turkey today... read the EastAsia.com articles... Iraq war I... Iraqi troops and Saudi troops engaged as the Iraqi's attempted invade oil fields... it is documented.

fcc - Correct they were not cooperating..but with more time and "diplomacy" it could have turned around...Saddam's family went to Syria, except his sons who were killed Iraq.

Thomas Williams

Gentlemen,
We can rehash the past and there is definitely enough blame to go around in this current operation which I cannot fathom the strategy behind. Why do we allow the continuation of these militias which only serve to kill those Iraqis which could possibly lay the bedrock for a productive Iraqi society. I have no doubt the military in Iraq no who runs these militias and could disarm them if they wanted, but I get the feeling there is political pressure not to. It would cause an escalation in violence to begin with though I think the long term effect would be positive. We are allowing, through a lack of political will on everyone's part, to allow this country to become Lebanon and Palestine. This mess is ours and we need to step up and do what it takes to make a something positive out of it.


Tom

Masood

"BAwdy...Masood... we started nothing..."

So is that just you or is it the new right-wing position?

Truly delusional. :)

-Masood

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