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October 24, 2006

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Masood

"Bush's actions have been MUCH less bloody than Lincoln's and in the process removed one the eras most opressive dictators"

The Palestinians are more oppressed than the Iraqi's ever were. Why is the US not working to emancipate them and create a fair and just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Everyone knows that Democracy in Israel is a sham. All Arab-Israeli's are considered second class citizens and laws and restrictions are imposed on them arbitrarily.

-Masood

BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

Ok, let me rephrase it for you. Slavery was the reason the war was fought, but emancipation was not Lincoln's justification at the beginning of the war. Does that make it for ya.

Bev

And I'd just like to repeat my take on the Civil War:
Every state that fights to fly the Confederate Flag because it's a proud part of their history ought to be encouraged to secede.
And let's let them do it this time around.

Thomas Williams

The Civil War was fought for many reasons, slavery being just one. The inability for southern plantation owners to obtain credit to build manufacturing plants in the South instead of having to ship the cotton to the north for further refinement. The blocking of southerners to obtain for credit through the passage of legislation blocking. The enactment of tariffs to restrict the ability of southerners to ship cotton overseas instead of up north. There were other reasons also. Slavery was an important part of it however.


Tom

BAWDYSCOT

Great, but emancipation of the slaves was not one of the original reasons.

fcc

Bob,

Thanks, I'm glad you approve of my personal opinion. The governments position was WMDs Bob. Remember the Dems and Reps telling us how dangerous Hussein was since the late 90s? I didn't think that needed to be adressed.

May I say I love it when Yankees like to tell Southerners what they should and should not fly. I suppose honoring 600,000 dead men is not honorable. Maybe states who refuse to honor the civil war's dead should be asked to secede? As well, we should let them.

csm

No state should be allowed to secede. And racism should be discouraged. One can honor the civil war's dead without dishonoring the memory of the slaves who were persecuted by many of those civil war dead.

Bob

fcc, I'll keep this one fairly short. I didn't say whether I approved of any opinions, I thanked you for your input, and for stating that we didn't go in to take out Saddam. See...what I was trying to establish was your awareness of that fact.

It seems so common nowadays to crow loudly about We Took Down the Evil Dictator, despite the fact that we didn't go there to do that. Or...at least that wasn't the reason we were told we were going there. Wait...was that sarcasm on your part? If so, sorry for replying literally.

I'm going to assume your comment about flags was not aimed at me. Have a nice day.

Bev

Just to have it on the record, I'm a fifth generation Texan -- we actually settled Texas -- and they were expanding our landownership, from the family PLANTATION located around Cleveland, Tennessee.
We also basically owned Reingold, GA at one time, if anyone is familiar. Yea, I'm from a rich SOUTHERN family.

csm, just for my enlightment, why do good people want to fly the Confederate Flag over their statehouses?
I'm not being sarcastic -- I trust what you have to say.
I have cousins in TX, Arkansas, NC, and VA, they all love the Confederate Flag, and they are all racists.
(The Mormon side is all racists too, but they have a different set of problems from the Confederate Flag)

fcc

"It seems so common nowadays to crow loudly about We Took Down the Evil Dictator, despite the fact that we didn't go there to do that."

Bob,

True or not, it has a nice ring. I have empathy for what Iraqis went through, maybe you do not that's your call. That may not have been a "stated reason", but Clinton, Kerry and Gore all warned us that this evil dictator would attack us if we didn't stop him. Remember? Thinking that there was only (1) reason for the war is not realitic. DO you suppose all the dems who gave away their vote were fooled by tricky GWB? Remember before you answer, this is the same man who is called an idiot and a fool by the Liberals.

csm

I think there are some good-old boy types who are not overtly racist who truly do see flying that flag as a tribute to their fallen ancestors. Yes, it is misguided - and it should not be encouraged. But I don't think that desire automatically makes one a racist. Some people are so consumed in their particular little dramas that they fail to consider the feelings of others. Then there are those who, when confronted with the problem, belittle it as being less important than their issue.

Personally, I feel that flag (actually, all confederate flags) should be viewed as being represntative of traitorousness - and outlawed for that reason. Of course, people who have ancestors who fought for the confederacy and died can pay their personal tributes to their personal ancestors however they see fit. But the stars and bars should never be part of any official state flag... of course, that is just my opinion - for what it is worth. (And I'm just another damn transplanted yankee...)

And yes, any Mormon who actually believes what is written in their book is a damn racist. Fuck them!

csm

fcc, can you point us to documentation backing up that Clinton, Gore, and Kerry "all warned us that this evil dictator would attack us if we didn't stop him"?

Thomas Williams

As a Georgian I was for changing the flag, though I wanted a democratic process to do that. The one which is now flying has an even greater history of racism than the one it replaced.


Tom

fcc

CSM,

What about the Mexican flag? Arrest them as traitors too? I mean being in Texas and the Alamo and all?

As for the documentation, try the Wall Street Journal or the NY Times from 2001, I think one of the April additions. You may even find on the web if you google.

Bev

oh, cam, I think I mis-read your post. thanks!

re: seceding...
Well, I lived in SC for a year and they, of course, started the civil War. And the whole time I was there, I thought, "Why the heck didn't we just let these ************* leave?"

OK, I'll try take your opinion into consideration. :-)

Bev

that shoulda been "csm"
csm, whenever fcc spouts his outrageous lies and you've asked for the link, have you ever actually gotten the link?

fcc

LOL! now who is racist? The South Carolinians or those who live in Vermont! Geez, what a bigot! As a member of the Commonwealth, we are glad to see bigots like you take thir elitist arrogant attitudes back to Vermont. Very Red Word attitude you got there BB. Hey Bev, do you call Muslims a bunch of ********* as well?

Bev

fcc, I think you've mistaken me for someone who lives in Vermont. But, anyway, Vermont is officially the smartest state in the Union. So, I'm figurin' you wouldn't fit in there very well anyway.

fcc, can you point us to documentation backing up that Clinton, Gore, and Kerry "all warned us that this evil dictator would attack us if we didn't stop him"?

Jeff

man,

i came on this blog too late today. FCC compared bush to lincoln! thats the biggest pile or horse manure i've ever heard about. FCC, any hint of respect me (any many others on this blog i'm sure) might have ever had for you, is officially gone. thats the worst call i've heard of since sam bowie got picked over jordan.

csm

Bev, I've never gotten anything verifiable from fcc ever. His answer this time is typical. It boils down to this: "I'll say whatever I want and when asked to verify it I'll tell you to look for verification of my lies yourself."

And his stupidity about the Mexican flag is hilarious! Are there really states out there who want to incorporate the Mexican flag into their state flag and then fly it over their capitol building? (He asks rhetorically knowing the answer.)

fcc

Bev,

When you answer oh I don't know the half dozen questions you refuse to answer. I'll get back to you. The smartest state is Vermont? Well, OK, whatever.

So Bev, ready? Can you answer even one?

Why do you call Foley pedaphile? Never convicted?
Why are you bigoted against South Carolinians but protect Muslims? Would Jesus act like that?
Why don't you believe in hell? Jesus did.
Why are you unsure of a God? Jesus wasn't?
Are Iraqis your neighbor? Jesus stated they were. Why don't you love them?
Why don't you obey the 2nd greatest command?
Why won't you apologize for lieing about the car in my driveway?

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CSM,

Are you really that absent minded? You statement states NOTHING about incorporating the flag. Any brown shirts in your closet CSM? Here, let me post for you as a reminder.

"Personally, I feel that flag (actually, all confederate flags) should be viewed as being represntative of traitorousness - and outlawed for that reason."

BTW, I provided a reference. I suppose you are incapable of checking a reference that is not a hyperlink? AH, the laziness of our society. Try print media once awhile, it does a mind good. Then again you don't even hold your represenatives accountable for their vote so I can only imagine you would never hold them accountable for a statement to the media.

Bev

Please, fcc, PLEASE promise me you'll never get back to me on anything ever again.
Promise?

oh, and csm and I already got our answer. It's just to tweek you.
We both knew you didn't have the link. Everyone on the blog knew you didn't have the link.

Yes, you really are that boring.

csm

fcc, yes, brown shirts... and I have many different colored shirts in my closet. What are you implying my stupid "friend"?

And I stand by my statement about a personal "belief" about the confederate flag and what it means - TRAITOROUSNESS. If your kin fought in that war they were TRAITORS. I'm sure I have ancestors who were rebels (one side of my family is from the south), but I don't feel the need to wave a TRAITOR's flag around because of it.

Here comes the "fun" part. My statement was incomplete. I apologize for it being confusing and incomplete. I'm not perfect and a blog is not a perfect medium for conveying information and thoughts. To correct things, if some idiot wants to wave a rebel flag around, so be it. That is free speech... like burning an American flag. If some idiot want to burn an American flag, so be it. It should, however, be illegal for that flag - or a likeness similar to it - to be incorporated into any flag or symbol of the USA or any state of the USA. We should not condone the actions of TRAITORs or memorialize them in any way.

With regard to the Mexican flag, I don't give a flying fuck what anyone wants to do with the Mexican flag.

csm

As a second post, fcc, are you really that fucking stupid to believe that you provided a reference by saying "Hey, Google it." In that case, you are a hermaphrodite with an enlarged prostate and seven nipples. Google it. It'll show I'm correct.

csm

By the way, I just had to try a Google search on fcc's idiocy. Here are the results cut and pasted from such a search:

Your search - Bill Clinton "Hussein will attack USA" - did not match any documents

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