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June 21, 2006

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coreyd

gene,
first of all, i am a libertarian. if i seem to be aligned against the republicans, it is only because they've (imo) aligned themselves against the values i hold dear (again, just my opinion).

secondly, the book & subsequent film were / are important primarily because they deal with a history that MANY would like to ignore / forget about. the fiction you lambast was merely the spoonful of sugar that helped the medicine go down.

p.s. don't worry. you did not offend me. : )

leaf,

two versions of the same question:
a) are all political books written with an axe to grind, then?
and
b) what exactly would tenet's motivation be? it seems (imo) uncharacteristic of him to "grind an axe".

leaf

Coreyd

No. Political books are principally written to make money. If the book can generate enough buzz to ratchet up the marketability of the author on the lecture curcuit then more is the better.

Hop on over to the Washington Speakers Bureau http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/ and you'll find bunches of journalists/authors who will be happy to tell you about their latest book and how brilliant they are.


fcc

Tenet is the same guy who assured George Bush that the eveidence against Saddam and WMDs was essentially a "slam dunk". I would say that is enough ammo for Bush and Tenet not to be the best of buddies at this point in time. Just speculating, but there has probably been some heated words since that little proclaimation.

BAWDYSCOT

Bush is using the intelligence community as its scapegoat and the CIA is leaking secrets to the press, where do you think the NSA wiretap leak came from?

Cowcharge

What happened to the AT&T thread?

coreyd

it got boring.

WTF

This blog can't seem to find any interesting headlines!
Might I suggest another with daily current topics.

http://www.watchblog.com/democrats/

Don't let the name fool you, there are plenty of right-wing POVs too.

BAWDYSCOT

Maybe this will stir up some discussion. Gene or fcc, should we attack North Korea as they have a "Stalinist" leader who has(at least most think so)WMD and they sells them to "Axis of Evil" countries?

fcc

Bawdy,

Sure they have WMDS, give me a break. They have been working on them since '94 after Clinton slapped their hand. I don't think we should attack. I was for taking out Sadaam not for WMDS as much as his violation of human rights. Let Japan deal with them. We have done enough against tyranny. Time for the rest of the world to step up. You can count on Russia and China to back NK to the end. Sounds like the makings of WWIII to me.

BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

I sure looks like Fox News is looking to start another fracas. I don't normally watch this drivel, but the restaurant I was at had it on.

BAWDYSCOT

Maybe this will start something:

The elections in Mexico looks like 2000, eh? I personally feel they were legit, but many don't.

Gene

Is North Korea really a whole lot to worry about? The one missle that was suppose to have potential to reach the US fizzled. It sounds more like to me Kim Jong II desires a little attention from the world to build his huge ego. So far, not all that impressive and actually a little comical.
The argument against Iraq was that they did not have the capability to launch (sucessfully) the chemical weapons they did have therefore they are not WMDs. Maybe, but Sadaam was not suppose to have chemical weapons at all. I'm not so sure N Korea could launch a nuke sucessfully at the US at this point in time and if they did, I think we could sucessfully intercept and launch a "jack-hammer" full of butt whoopings on N Korea they would not soon forget. Who knows.....

BAWDYSCOT

Gene,

Japan is within range of the missles NK can already launch successfully. This is why the Japanese are making such a fuss. I certainly don't feel NK is much of a threat, this is all a ruse to get bi-lateral relations with the US, but many on the right(Fox News) are itchin' to fight.

sara

The Japanese may very well be Constitutionally forbidden to strike at North Korea, thus making them a bit more nervous internationally then otherwise indicated.

Yes, they have the capacity, the weaponry and the proximity. However, they may lack the internal legal option (and therefore in Japanese society the moral grounds) to strike without clear provocation.

fcc

Yes, we are in a position where much of the world must now take action. But as we continue to see, The UN thanks to Russia and China does not seem to even want to impose sanctions. NK has already broken agreement after agreement with no consequences therefore what good is the UN? We may eventually be drug into a WWIII situation.


Bawdy,

why do you think Fox wants to go to war? Who specifically? I have not seen such hype.

BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

You will have to bear with me as I have said I don't usually watch Fox, but I think it was a Mr. Hannity yucking it up with the much quoted Ms. Coulter who put forth the proposition we should do just that.

BAWDYSCOT

sara,

You are right about the Japanese constitution precluding aggressive force. It is called Article 9 and it keeps Japan from even defending itself.

Gene

I guess there is a lot to learn after have a couple of nukes dropped on your nation. Pearl Harbor taught the Japanesse as much as it taught us, not to mention Iwo Jima.

fcc

Do you suppose Japan may change their laws at this point? If Japan waits for the UN to take care of the problem, they may be looking at number 3. They should at least be taking some precautionary measures.

BAWDYSCOT

fcc,

There has been plenty of discussion in Japan about changing their pacifist constitution lately. The current leadership is holding up the fact Japanese security forces were in Iraq without incident as a positive first step towards a normal military situation. One thing to watch for is the reaction of China and South Korea as there are some lingering memories of WWII, as you can well imagine.

WTF

All,

Yes, Japan is constitutionally forbidden from using military force in an unprovoked manner.

However, there is no article precluding Japan from defending itself through a preeminent attack.
The precedent has already been set!

BAWDYSCOT

Gene,

The displacement of whole cultures explains the Palestinian side too. These people were extracated from their historical homelands and sent packing. I guess two wrongs don't make a right.

BAWDYSCOT

Is this website dead?

BAWDYSCOT

I am still willing to keep it alive. On life support maybe, but still alive. Just call it my part in the religious right's sanctity of Life.

Bev

When I can go to RealClearPolitics and predict every single un-original, un-freethinking, religious-fanatic word that gene/fcc is going to spout here and yet, bawdy, those are the posts you choose to take your time to address...
Or else you just keep posting over and over and over and over and over and over again, "Is there a third party running?" -- like that's going to actually solve any of the zillion problems I have with the leadership of George W. Bush...

Well, I find it a complete waste of time.
Enjoy your "debates" with gene/fcc.

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